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Afstan flash: One and half cheers for Peter MacKay/Dipper Update

But what’s the government’s position?  The Minister of National Defence appears to have opened the door a fair way; now if only the Liberals are serious and come through it.  I am of course assuming the MND spoke with the prime minister’s authorization; apparently Mr MacKay spoke without it once before, see last para of first quote:

Canada could stay in Afghanistan: MacKay

Defence Minister Peter MacKay strongly suggested today that the Harper government is open to extending the Canadian military mission in Afghanistan beyond July, 2011, if agreement can be reached with the opposition.

“I know that Ignatieff and Rae have made comments recently about training, and extending the mission,” MacKay said while on a tour of CFB Meaford. “That’s all very interesting.”

The minister repeatedly stressed, however, that the current Parliamentary motion governing the mission in Afghanistan requires that it end in July of next year, with all forces withdrawn by December of 2011.

“There’s not a lot of flex as to what we can do, within the context of the parliamentary motion…. We’ll respect the letter of the motion.”

The motion, passed by the House of Commons in March of 2008, calls for a complete pullout by December of 2011 [only from Kandahar, see below] and leaves no room for further extensions.

However, in the past year there has been growing pressure from Canada’s allies, including the U.S. Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, for an extension in some capacity. The Afghan government is also pressing Canada to remain [more here].

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae returned from an Afghan visit earlier this summer and pointedly remarked that the Liberals would be open to an extension limited to training Afghan security forces [more from Adrian here].

Proponents of this option suggest such a move could be designed to limit Canadian troops to operating “inside the wire,” that is within the confines of fortified bases, which greatly reduces the risk of attack [see 2) here]…

In terms of any extension as a pure training mission, he said, “we’re examining all the options.”

In the past, when Prime Minister Stephen Harper or senior Canadian military officeres have been queried about an extension, they have flatly ruled it out [so has foreign minister Cannon--in late June MND MacKay was rather winging it: "Peter might be open to the idea [a non-combat training role], but this doesn’t mean that the Prime Minister and the Government of Canada is open to the idea.“]. Polls have consistently shown Canadians evenly divided on the Afghan mission [and we all know a responsible government decides key forign policy, national security and defence issues by poll]…

Milnews.ca:


I bet my loonie on government not changing its mind.

The truth of the 2008 Commons’ motion. The government, sadly, still continues to be so economical about the truth of it as to be mendacious. The motion does not require that the CF leave Afstan; it only refers to ending the Kandahar mission:

…this extension of Canada’s military presence in Afghanistan is approved by this House expressly on the condition that:

(c) the government of Canada notify NATO that Canada will end its presence in Kandahar as of July 2011, and, as of that date, the redeployment of Canadian Forces troops out of Kandahar and their replacement by Afghan forces start as soon as possible, so that it will have been completed by December 2011…

Update: Further flash, an e-mail just in from one of Taliban Jack’s boys, Brad Lavigne (I’m on his address list for some reason, maybe his people think bloggers are, er, cool):

My Fellow New Democrat,

For two years, Stephen Harper has repeatedly promised Canadians that the combat mission in Afghanistan would end in 2011.

Canadians were counting on it. They thought they could take Stephen Harper at his word. They were wrong.

Today we learned that Stephen Harper wants a backroom deal with Ignatieff’s Liberals to keep Canadian soldiers in the military mission past 2011.

The majority of Canadians have spoken. Parliament has spoken. We want the combat mission to end in 2011. Now I want you to help me get the word out about this backroom deal.

Click here to spread the word on Facebook.

Stephen Harper and Michael Ignatieff – do the right thing. Keep your promise to Canadians on Afghanistan.

Brad Lavigne,
National Director
Canada’s New Democrats

Mark
Ottawa

6 Responses so far.

  1. pete eNo Gravatar says:

    The key is this. We should not stay if the rules of engagement on our armed forces:
    A. leave us defenseless against attack or strategically hobbled
    or
    B. leave us ineffective.

  2. wilsonNo Gravatar says:

    If you read what McKay was quoted saying, and ignore the reporters interpretation (always recommended),
    we are out in 2011, imo.

    And this kinda confirms that

    ”…OTTAWA – The Canadian military has delivered a critical planning document to the federal government that sets the stage for next year’s withdrawal from Kandahar…’

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/military-kandahar-plan-tells-foreign-affairs-clear-a-path-were-going-home-100384119.html

  3. CytotoxicNo Gravatar says:

    Ucck, no, just get us out of that hellhole. If you want to fight there Mark you go right ahead.

  4. MarkOttawaNo Gravatar says:

    “Hellhole”: So you’d rather have us aerially bomb white Christians with no loss of our life
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/jul1999/can-j07.shtml
    (source has basic facts right) than take forty dead a year out of a population of 33 million fighting against a real threat that can only grow if we–the West, not Canada–lose?

    With that math the really bad guys (not the Talibs, the Salifists and, more locally, Deobandists) cannot but win.

    Rather a Dipper view to war it might seem.

    Mark
    Ottawa

  5. gimbolNo Gravatar says:

    The kicker is this statement.

    “I know that Ignatieff and Rae have made comments recently about training, and extending the mission,” MacKay said while on a tour of CFB Meaford. “That’s all very interesting.”

    That statement puts the issue squarely on the shoulders of the doddering leader of the opposition and his dubious dance partner and critic of foreign affairs Bare-Ass Bob.
    For some time they have used the end date of the mission to suggest Harper is going to cut and run, even though the current pull out date was voted on in Parliament and supported by Iggy and a few blu-liberal MP’s.
    I think its good to debate this issue in the house for many reasons, primarily that NATO deployment is one of the federal responsibilities. Another is that it creates a juxtaposition between what the opposition see’s as important (census and bureaucratic red tape) and what the average joe does.

    The main point of the story is that this is an issue that you cannot straddle the fence on. If the government allows a free vote that puts the deciding factor to whats feeling at the local riding level.

    Bets Bare-ass might be ready to hang it up if he was forced to vote one way or the other.

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