It would seem that many of the pundits and plaudits have endorsed their favourite candidate or party for the imminent 2011 election. As one who predicted on Jan. 1 that no such election would even be happening, it would be consistent that whoever or whatever I endorse will lose.
The Conservatives lost my vote a long time ago, when they turned principle on its side in favour of political power and broke their 2008 election promise. For almost anyone and everyone I’ve spoken to, they don’t seem to have a problem with the shamelessness of this act.
Nobody could have known the extent of the financial meltdown, they will say. Nobody could have anticipated the sort of economic upheaval and revenue shortfalls that would result in the massive deficits that the Conservative government authored in 2009 and 2010, they will say. But I have little sympathy for that argument.
Stephen Harper was unequivocal in his promise to never go into deficit spending, under any circumstances, ever again. Believing him to be a man of principle, I voted for the party in 2008. It won’t happen again, or at least not until “regime change” puts someone with more conviction behind his own absolutist statements.
Had the man said he would prefer not to go into deficit, or would try his best not to, it could be something. But the only way the Conservatives could win the previous election was to run on the simplistic platform that it was the only political party not offering an economic collapse, juxtaposing itself to the grossly negligent Liberal Party and their Green Shift.
Sound familiar? They’re doing pretty much the same thing this year. And though I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea the Conservatives would run the fiscal ship better than the Liberals, and certainly better than the NDP, when you’re setting record debt levels it comes as little consolation.
It isn’t just the deficits either. It’s the way the Conservatives do business in power. They’re controlling, secretive, openly contemptuous of procedure, disrespectful, assumptive, patronizing and self-serving. It isn’t so much what they say as how they say it, as the old expression goes.
So more of the same doesn’t seem very appealing at all. More contempt for what Canadians think, the media who inform them and the voters who believed their lies. As a voter I couldn’t in good conscience go with them, even though I believe they may be least damaging to the country.
In some respects I agree with Andrew Coyne’s invented dichotomy of how badly the opposition parties might ruin the economy versus how badly the Conservatives might ruin democracy. But in the end he endorses the Liberal Party, who under Michael Ignatieff might just represent one of the weakest political choices since Kim Campbell.
Clearly the Liberals are not a serious choice for Canadians, hence the reason the NDP are polling at nearly 30 per cent of the electorate for a full week now. And though the NDP have the most unrealistic economic plan of all the choices, there is an allure there for many voters in the same way the allure existed for disaffected voters in Ontario in 1990. Sick of the blue and red, voters gambled with orange. Unfortunately for Ontario that was a poor gamble.
The NDP do not present a viable alternative for anybody with an ounce of fiscal conservatism. Their party is full of people who have program wish lists that would quickly bleed the federal coffers and require either an increase in taxes or a reduction in spending, likely coming from such unpopular places as the military. We don’t need one anyway, right?
The Green Party isn’t worth considering even as a protest vote, steeped as they are in the irrelevant environmental activism of a carbon tax economy, which has already proven a staggering failure in British Columbia. It isn’t just that the Green Party has no hope of becoming relevant soon, but the leadership under Elizabeth May has pushed it from a mainstream centrist party of sustainability (a good idea in and of itself) to a fringe leftwing group echoing similar NDP-Liberal policies that already exist.
What choice remains then? Well, none. But that’s still a choice. On May 2, I intend to walk into a voting booth and select nobody, as that is precisely who is out there representing my interests right now. Should that change in future elections I’ll certainly consider it. But Monday is a vote for a more representative democracy, beginning with my expression of contempt for what it is now.
Were you on drugs for the past 2 years.We went into deficit because of a recession dummy.CASE CLOSED Wake up and get off the drugs.
Harper knew about the recession and promised no deficit anyway. I didn’t put a gun to his head and tell him to make promises he couldn’t keep. He broke his word all on his own. And people who vote for liars generally get the government they deserve.
The Conservatives started the stimulus spending after the failed Coalition attempt in order to remain in power. That’s not exactly a sign of a principled party.
Then to heap insult onto anyone that thought that they were doing this grudgingly in order to keep a stable Parliament, the Conservatives started bragging about all the money they were spending.
If It was a slight deficit due to lower revenue during the recession it would be one thing, but the Conservatives spent money like it was water and the told us how great they are for doing so
You didn,t put a gun to his head..who in hell do you think you are.He doesn’t run the country to please you.He runs the country to please 33 million people as best he can.You and Joe Clark are probably brothers.And Mike get your FN facts together before you spew off.The Opposition parties forced PM Harper to spend this money and they wanted more spent.Check your facts before you open your mouth.
So, it’s nearly so much about the country, the leader or the party as it is about an “ideology”, eh?
Gotta protect that religion, even throw ourselves on our own swords when all else fails.
Nobody saw the depth and breadth of the global meltdown coming, nobody!
On top of that, his choice was turn over the government to a collection of ideologically hellbent leftards to utterly ruin, or do what it took to keep power out of their hands at a most critical time, and thereby do what he personally could to minimize the impact of the recession.
I have no patience for the notion that ideology trumps reality, be it right or left.
I’m sure you’ll feel satisfied, should these cretins manage to get their hands on power and sack our nation like nobody even dare imagine, that you at least stuck to your ideological guns come hell or high water…or even the demise of your country.
Because, after all, what could possibly be more important than abstract theories and doctrines scribed by Adam Smith et al, eh?
Pretty disappointing stuff.
Exactly right.
He made a promise and broke it. Maybe you don’t care much for promises, but a lot of people judge other people by their ability to keep their word. Harper broke his within weeks of the end of the election. Like the BC Liberals he was caught in the lie soon after the election. His saving throw was the fact the other parties were only too happy to help him break his promises.
The clues to the economic meltdown were apparent to everybody who read a newspaper. But we’re talking around the point here. Harper made a promise. He broke it. End of story. The man cannot be trusted in economic matters as a matter of historical precedent.
This doesn’t surprise me in the least, thank you for showing your true progressive colours. Name me ONE other party that would have spent less. Just one.
Only an idiot will reject the good because it is not perfect. The end result of enough people following your lead is PM Taliban Jack, that’s a sure fire way to reduce spending isn’t it?
I’m progressive because Stephen Harper broke his own promise? You’re not making any sense.
None of the candidates in my riding (Vancouver Centre) deserve to win. I haven’t had one flyer, one phone call, nothing…. How do they expect me to decide if they get my support? I’ll vote Pirate…
Same in Vancouver-Kingsway. It’s a ghost town out here.
“But you promised I could have a puppy, Daddy!You promised and I hate you!”
Nice pout,Kid.
Wow, with all your careful consideration you made the same choice as my girlfreinds freind always makes with no thought at all. She usually spoils her ballot and votes just to prove she doesn’t know and doesn’t care and doesn’t like politics.
It appears you’ve wasted your time and all of ours.
Interesting. I always thought people were accountable to their word. Now I know I can promise my boss to do something difficult, fail and then blame some external factor. Good to know.
I suppose only the carefully considered choices go to the Conservatives?
I don’t understand your kamikaze attitude. The PM disappoints on one issue so let’s burn it all down? The PM took the Conservative Party from the ashes and turned it into the only national party on the ballot today. This is an astounding feat. No politician since Reagan/Mulroney ’84 deserves to lead a majority government like this man does. Canada has a great future ahead of it. There is no better place in the world we could live in terms of economic strength and opportunity. What other nation can say that? I blame Stephen Harper for that. You are unambiguously wrong on this.
I respect your opinion. I just don’t agree it. I do give credit to Harper for his biggest accomplishment, which was uniting the right.
C’mon, you know better than that!
Go look at 5 year charts on virtually large cap stock you want to
name. Ford hit $1.50, Teck bottomed out around $3, the
markets tanked like not seen since the ’30s!
Economic forecasters were revising their numbers almost
day to day, if not hourly! Nobody saw that coming, not
Harper, not likely God Himself!
He didn’t lie! He was left without a choice! He has masters
in economics, you think he didn’t consider all his options?
Or the advice coming from virtually everyone who was anyone
who had a clue about how to deal with such a disaster?
No, he should have handed off the keys to 24 Sussex to that
pinhead Dion and told him to have at it, is that right? So
he wouldn’t have to been seen as a “liar”? His personal
reputation over the welfare of a nation? That’s what counts?
You got it all wrong! What he did took guts, and character,
and sacrifice…and we’re all a damn sight better off
for it!
You’re certainly welcome to that opinion. And by the looks of it you’re far from being alone. Myself, I don’t agree with it. This is also a government that has a budget that is now $100bn larger than Paul Martin’s.
If I understand your position correctly you are now anti conservative / anti Harper because he broke a promise not to go into deficit.
Also, that this position is irrespective of any other factors which may have caused or contributed to this, to the point that you will accept if not welcome another party and leader or coalition taking power, even if that other party / leader would be much worse for the country.
It has been my experience that many times in life our choices are not between good and bad but between bad and worse. If this is not your experience as well then you are a very fortunate person.
At least the good people at Moose and Squirrel had the decency to de-list from the Blogging Tories after coming to a fundamental disagreement with the federal Conservative Party instead of hanging around just to keep the hit counter up.
If I cared about the hit counter I’d be writing Conservative propaganda.
You’ve grossly underestimated the seriousness of the global economic downturn and that a pragmatic fiscal response was necessary to issue from the standing gov’t. Circumstances changed on the ground and the Canadian finance department operated responding to the realities on the ground. Beyond ‘uniting the right’, a centre right position response was put in place. The deficit has been halved, so breaking former fiscal promises is hardly an issue. The fighter jet purchases may be considered the largest chunk in the expenditure file, but consider what the left propose: They’d substitute with free and abundant Canadian mosquitos for air defense. If Layton gets hold of the taxpurse within months you’ll regret your high brow idealism versus Harper’s pragmatism on the economic management file.
Did I grossly underestimate it? Or did Harper? And who is ultimately responsible?
Just another waste of space on the Blogging Tories…join LibLogs
Great advice.
Meh.
So why do you remain on the Blogging Tories if you have such fundamental difference? Why wouldn’t you hang out an “independent” shingle?
I know it’s hard to believe, but politicians sometimes break their promises. I have a thought exercise for you… you make a promise to your child, something that you think is achievable, let’s say Disneyland. You have money in the bank, you have holiday time and you make the promise… we’re going to Disneyland this summer. Suddenly, something happens and you have no choice but to deplete your savings. You have a choice now, go into debt to keep your promise to the kids or break your promise but stay out of debt. No, it’s not the same thing, but you have kids and you know as well as I do that you can’t break a promise because they don’t understand why the promise is broken, they only react to the broken promise.
Honestly, I don’t think that we would have had the problem had Obama not promised to spend a $700 Billion dollars. I blame Obama and his government for our predicament because of the level of spending that they committed to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/weekinreview/21uchitelle.html
And I blame our opposition for acting like spoiled children after the economic address from the CPC government.
Read this article and tell me that PM Harper didn’t try to keep his promise:
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/545828
The opposition parties unanimously oppose Harper’s provocative economic update, which contained billions of dollars in spending cuts, the suspension of the right to strike by public servants, a clampdown on pay equity and a small but significant reduction of public funding for political parties.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/11/26/update-subsidy.html
A great article showing what was happening in 2008.
Your memory is rather selective on the whole situation Adrian. I can’t see how the CPC government could not respond to the complaints in the media, as well as the looming threat of the opposition parties banding together to try and depose them at that time. I remember the pressure in the media, largely driven because of the spending promises that Obama was making at the time was driving the opposition to make similar demands, and the press took up the trumpet too.
The issue was too complex to boil down to a simple “he broke his promise”. That sounds rather petulant to me, like a child who, once told that the promise can’t be kept, will not listen to reason but reject it all. I just try and point out the reasons. And you can call me names, accuse me of being a partisan who would blindly follow, etc. I disagree, I am a realist and I know that sometimes things change. Also, as a father, I never made a promise I could not keep. I pity the politicians who make promises in good faith because they are pressed to commit knowing that they would be better off saying that they would try their best as opposed to just promising outright. You know, as well as I do, that if you respond with a truthful answer you can be pilloried in the press. Kim Campbell would agree.
Another thing, are there no policies that you can find to support? As much as each leader puts their stamp on a party, you vote for the party not the person. There is nothing that bugs me more than a person that says they hate everything… find one thing that you like and vote for that, don’t find one thing that you hate and not vote at all.
Why, you’re not able to filter out independent thinking? You like your partisan opinion spoon fed to you?
As I’ve told you many times over the last 5 years ….. holding a grudge about a government failing to cater to your whims is childish and typical of those who feel their own sense of entitlement should supercede that of the larger part of society … so very precious … aren’t you.
Oh for Gawds sake, grow up Adrian.
Go ahead, vote for nobody. That will surely accomplish
nothing. Do nothing with pride.
Has it been five years already? Time flies
Whatever.
If you don’t want to answer the question, that’s fine.
I think Robert B has said it best. Sometimes, despite our best intentions, promises can not be kept, due to circumstances unforeseen.
How was Harper to foresee a coalition coup that had been secretly discussed for some time amongst the opposition? I believe Harper tried his best to govern with principle, even avoiding filling senate seats (MANY at the time) to pursue his goal of fixing the senate and this country. A sneaky opposition was about to usurp that power and fill those seats, undoing much of what Harper had set out to do…. he had to do what it took to avoid this wanton grab for power. I support him fully for that decision.
I’ve followed your blog Adrian from a time when you made very good points and had good common sense, to the last few months where you’ve completely gone to a place I don’t understand.
Anyone, especially of your intelligence, who doesn’t vote for ANY party shouldn’t be blogging politically anymore and complaining about the state of our government and country. As the old saying goes… ‘if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem’.
You should shut it down after this election until you understand what democracy means. I don’t care if you vote Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Green or Bloc… just vote. Anyone who doesn’t, absolutely loses the right to complain.
I am voting. It’s called a spoiled ballot. Didn’t you read the post?
Spoiling a ballot isn’t voting, and it isn’t a statement. To me it is a thumbing of the nose to all of those people who believe that voting is a responsibility. Like I said before, find one thing you like and vote for that, if nothing else.
And I give him zero credit for that because he promptly double-crossed the people who put him in a position to do so. I put thousands of dollars and 12 years of sweat equity into Reform/Alliance, and I don’t appreciate that within a couple of months of establishing the CPC he started to throw out all of our policies and principles until, today, there isn’t a trace of the party’s roots remaining.
“…politicians sometimes break their promises…”
True enough Dwayne but, offhand, can you think of a promise that he didn’t break?
PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT
“Conservatives deliver real results”
GST Cut – Tax Relief For All of Us
Promise Made: “A Conservative Government will: Reduce the GST by one point right away” (Stand up for Canada – 2006 Conservative Election Platform, page 16)
Promise Kept: Starting on July 1st, Canadians will see one of the largest tax cuts in the country’s history when the GST goes from 7 percent down to 6 percent. Finance Canada estimates the reduction in the GST will save Canadian taxpayers $4.5 billion a year. It means more money in the pockets of every Canadian and that’s something worth celebrating.
Transit Pass Tax Credit – Less Traffic, Cleaner Air
Promise Made: “A Conservative Government will: Give public transit riders a federal tax credit” (Stand up for Canada – 2006 Conservative Election Platform, page 37)
Promise Kept: Starting on July 1st, the Conservative Government will provide a transit pass credit on cost of monthly transit passes. “The transit tax credit will not only save people money, but by taking public transit Canadians will be helping to improve our environment,” said Environment Minister Rona Ambrose.
Conservatives re-build the Canadian Forces
Promise Made: “A Conservative Government will: Acquire equipment needed to support a multi-role, combat-capable maritime, land and air force.” (Stand up for Canada – 2006 Conservative Election Platform, page 45)
Promise Kept: The Conservative government began delivering on its commitment to the men and women of the Canadian Forces last week when it announced a series of defence procurement projects aimed at strengthening Canada’s multi-role, combat-capable defence force.
And here. I can google some more if you like. No politician is perfect, but at least they try.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/15/harper-five-years-in-power-campaign-promises-vs-reality/
Love the clip Adrian, but a spoiled ballot is NOT a vote. How is that different than not showing up at all… same net result.
Canada hardly went into recession. Harper was simply buying votes.
I usually sit back and just read the blogs. I’ve followed you for a while and have enjoyed your take on things. Usually I don’t comment but I have to comment today.
Thank you for going the extra distance on dragging out and extinuating the Conservitives Points of View. Any one reading your blog will no doubt see the Torie point of view responding to your position. Well done Sir. You have been able to remove yourself as a Torie partizan by allowing alternative points of views from those who oppose your point of view.
I know you have just graduated from college or university and want to enter journalism…I predict…You just might be a great jounalist or maybe a even a politican. You defineately have the smarts.
Amen.
Canada DID NOT HAVE A MELTDOWN! It had a glitch.
Harper has created the NEW Liberal Party of Canada … that was the hidden agenda.
Spoiled ballots get recorded. They count.
Now I get it, only those who salute the Harper PMO are true conservatives … silly me.
Harper’s hidden agenda did exist, but the joke was on conservatives … he simply took over where Paul Martin had left off, and called it the CPC. What amazes me though, is that so loyal are the sycophants, that no matter how much guano the PMO forces them to eat … they lap it up.
Good grief Adrian, you actually believed a politician and then found that he/she lied ??. I cannot fathom the shock.
I do really like the idea of a “none of the above” checkmark. That would really send a message as opposed to a spoiled ballot which election Canada marks off as “error”.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the baseline insult for anyone who questions the official party line. I didn’t realise that abhorring deficit was a progressive trait, but if it is, then I don’t really care what one would label me.
I forgot to mention if you want to vote none of the above…a “Blank” ballot counts more than a spoiled ballot.(See Election Canada for rules.)
Probably because considering yourself a Tory doesn’t mean you blindly follow the current party line.
They are considered errors not marks of rebelion.
Honestly Adrian, how do you rationalize your deep conviction and support for the Canadian Military with a post such as this one?
Get a grip! Spoil you ballot and then you have no right to bitch! It’s true. Us election volunteers just find you guys a waste of time. We give up hours, miss work and $$$ so that people can vote and then we have to waste our time on guys that do what you are suggesting?
Please, just stay home. You say the same thing!
Correction: They are listed as “rejected”. When there are large numbers of them, the message gets across and they become an informal protest. This has always been the case. It is against the law to “spoil” the ballot by defacing it … but by selecting more than one candidate or by selecting none, it becomes legally “rejected”, and is counted as such. “Rejected”, in fact, has a nice ring to it.
You’re asking me to pick from a selection of shitty choices. If given the choice between going hungry and eating one of those choices, I’ll go hungry.
As they say … how do you pick up a turd by the clean end? Every choice is “progressive>
No, I’m asking you to stay home so that someone like me that respects democracy, has volunteered their time, appreciates and loves those that have fought and died for our country, DOES NOT waste their time on people that are having a temper tantrum.
If you took the time and saw how much work is involved with what someone like I do to honor our system, you would be respectful of what I am sacrificing. Instead you think that you are making a statement. They don’t care about you, Adrian. They don’t care that you think you are making a statement because you ARE NOT to the hard working people that volunteer. Your ballot is thrown in the garbage and everyone curses you because you wasted our time and you disrespect the time of the people that fight for our country.
I don’t care how you vote but quit being an idealouge thinking that we say….’woo, Adrian thinks that none of the above are worthy’…..No, you not showing up says more but when you don’t show up or spoil your ballot, you don’t get to bitch…except in your own mind.
As I have considered you a very intelligent person with some great insight and all the makings of a great reporter, I am still surprised at your attitude when it comes to voting. You say you would rather go hungry than accept a shity choice.
Perhaps you should look at voting as shity , shitier or shitiest, with the full realization that the bottom two will have a impact on your life that is more detrimental to your future than the shity one.
Democracy may stink due to deception but it’s up to the public to make slow baby step changes. As a future journalist with great potential you really should not take a petulant attitude and accept the challenge to work within the system to make the changes we all hunger for.
Bec said: “I’m asking you to stay home so that someone like me that respects democracy, has volunteered their time, appreciates and loves those that have fought and died for our country,”
I’ve volunteered massive amounts of time to conservative causes and the CPC; I’ve been a “significant” donor to the CPC; my son serves in the CF and served in Afghanistan; I’ve blogged hundreds of thousands of words in support of conservative concepts; I’m a regular contributor to local talk radio; I engage regularly with my MP … so do I have your permission to express a counter-Harper opinion and chime in that I think that Adrian is spot on … or am I unworthy and showing disrespect to you … because, you know, you work so hard for the system?
Harper is trying to please all 33 million of us? if that’s the case he’s a more miserable failure than
Layton could ever hope to be.
I’m in Van centre as well and the talent pool is abysmal.
It’s amusing reading CPC supporters criticize Harper for being what? too centrist? Anyone with even a vague understanding of Canadian culture and political history should be able to recognize that this country can only be governed from the centre. The absurdity of this latest tory incarnation is that they’ve gone left of the Grits on the economy, in the most craven of ways, but have stayed to the right on social issues.
That’s not how a majority is won. Not in this country. Harper should have zagged when he zigged. He should have kept spending down, liberalized marijuana laws and kept his hands off the democratic process and he would have had an easy win this Monday. But this is something I’ll never understand about the CPC, how they can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and while at the same time betraying the most crucial of core principles.
Adrian go to the Liberal site with your BS
Yup I agree with the above and I also agree with the respectful tone in disagreeing with Adrian and still trying to convince him that he is wrong here.
I like Adrian but I suspect that once he has made up his mind or been offended or disappointed by ” imperfection ” or a broken promise(s), he has a great deal of trouble listening to contrary arguments without become very ” mule-lish ” and stubborn about it.
As to the issue, maybe there are no good choices for Adrian and Harper has not met his expectations, but the others would be very much worse for Canada in my opinion.
NONE of the above on a ballot might be a good idea if it meant that if NONE of the above winning the election would mean that the parliamentary seat would become vacant and stay vacant until the next election: If NONE of the above won the Majority maybe we could do without any Government for 4 years.
I wrote in Alfred E. Neuman, there being no Rhino Party.
Mark
Ottawa
Great idea Jean. I would bet “none of the above” would win many ridings. Where I see a problem is too much power is vested at the top and individual MPs make a lot of promises that are a “rough” guide to the party line with little hope of being implemented. There are some that will stand up and walk away if their riding majority is against it (Blair Lekstrom of Peace River South) but they are rare. Vast majority become sheep of the “Dear Leader” and what the peasants want is secondary.
As Leader of the NON OF THE ABOVE Party I promise to not take my seat if I win but I will take the M.P. salary and pension plan.
Lol
No, I call you ‘progressive’ because that is what I think you really are. You still didn’t name me the party that would have spent less.
You also can name for me, if you wish, the party that would have spent less. I don’t like deficits either, but I like large deficits worse than smaller ones.
You can call me Sally for all I care. If you can’t articulate why you think I’m progressive then it amounts to the same thing.
Fine, if you wish I withdraw the accusation that you are ‘progressive’, please tell which party would have spent less.
Only an idiot spurns the good because it is not perfect.
According to the party faithful, yes.
Adrian,
I respect your opinions, and I respect the fact that you are not afraid to state them.
But politics is a zero-sum game.
No party is perfect (well, expect for some of my Midnight Parties),
but if you decide to not vote for the Conservatives, then you are simply adding your voice to the “enablers”, who, en masse, may be the cutting edge of the new electorate, and who, through no fault (or serious reasoning) of their own, may, conceivably, present the Country with a new NDP/Liberal gov’t. You are welcome to abstain of course, but sometimes a show of magnanimity, is the least that we can expect from OUR OWN supporters, on such an important occasion as a Federal Election. Seroiusly … you can bitch about PM Harper for the next four years if you like, but now … NOW … is the time that you should decide whether you are one of us Neanderthal Conservatives, or whether you are simply a closet Liberal or Socialist.
You’re welcome.
Midnight
Spelling corrections : “except” (I think).
Count me among the camp that believes you have a duty to vote for the Party you feel will do the least harm to our Country.
Simply spoiling a ballot doesn’t accomplish anything and allows those who do do vote to have an unproportionate influence on the outcome.
I’m no harpie for the Conservatives, but how you could allow the NDP to take power simply by protesting is a total disregard for your rights as a Canadian. The other parties are a clear and present danger for our fragile economy, and as such I will hold my nose and vote Conservative. They clearly are the BEST choice among those presented.
I agree it’s foolish letting the wrong people take over because the ones you normally support have not been perfect or have been disappointing in some ways.
After the election and, if we have a majority, I would certainly work internally in the Party or even if not a party member to make my ideas and feelings known about policy decisions I didn’t agree with.
In 4 years if the Liberals move back to the centre and have a decent leader and if the Conservatives and Harper screw up then Party loyalty can go out the window, but for this election I really don’t want to see missing the opportunity of having a Majority by default by not voting !