Comments on: One More Time, With Feeling http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/ independent thinking since 1974 (and 1947) Wed, 01 Feb 2012 17:29:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Issachar http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-711 Issachar Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:22:39 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-711 Fair enough Joe, but what are you going to do? Complaining that the media doesn't agree with you is a fairly common refrain, but you can't force CTV or the National Post report on something they don't want to. And whatever the media says, the Conservatives were stonewalling. Without any good reason. Fair enough Joe, but what are you going to do?

Complaining that the media doesn’t agree with you is a fairly common refrain, but you can’t force CTV or the National Post report on something they don’t want to.

And whatever the media says, the Conservatives were stonewalling. Without any good reason.

]]> By: cynical joe http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-710 cynical joe Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:40:21 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-710 My problem Isch, is that its only 'stonewalling' if the media determines it is. If the media doesn't have any interest or worse feigns ignorance (see John Edwards) the Canadian people are just as duped. This kind of faux outrage is judiciously parceled out by the media who shouldn't but definitely DO have a rooting interest. This is not only unfair, its dishonest. My problem Isch, is that its only ‘stonewalling’ if the media determines it is. If the media doesn’t have any interest or worse feigns ignorance (see John Edwards) the Canadian people are just as duped. This kind of faux outrage is judiciously parceled out by the media who shouldn’t but definitely DO have a rooting interest. This is not only unfair, its dishonest.

]]> By: Issachar http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-709 Issachar Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:31:42 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-709 The problem I have with the government's protestations is that they've been stonewalling without any good reason. Oh, but it's "security reasons"! Even if that's true, it doesn't justify the government's stonewalling. They're now having the documents examined by a former supreme court justice. So one has to ask, WHY NOT DO THIS MONTHS AGO? Did it only occur to them recently that Canadians might view a former supreme court judge as trustworthy and he's probably not a Taliban spy? If so, they're morons who couldn't govern an elementary school classroom properly. I find it much more likely that they're simply stonewalling for the sake of stonewalling. I didn't vote for this kind of crap. The problem I have with the government’s protestations is that they’ve been stonewalling without any good reason.

Oh, but it’s “security reasons”!

Even if that’s true, it doesn’t justify the government’s stonewalling. They’re now having the documents examined by a former supreme court justice. So one has to ask, WHY NOT DO THIS MONTHS AGO?

Did it only occur to them recently that Canadians might view a former supreme court judge as trustworthy and he’s probably not a Taliban spy? If so, they’re morons who couldn’t govern an elementary school classroom properly. I find it much more likely that they’re simply stonewalling for the sake of stonewalling.

I didn’t vote for this kind of crap.

]]> By: cynical joe http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-708 cynical joe Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:51:50 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-708 If there was a LPC administration, do you think Mr. Attaran would have come forward to criticize his buddy Ignatieff? Not on your life, he wouldn't want to rock the patronage boat. Would Mr. Colvin have been as eager to testify against a Liberal Administration? No way; he'd probably be in the running to move up the DFAIT food chain. This 'scandal' is basically an attempt to criminalize Canadian participation in Coalition warfare. All this crap about 'we don't blame the troops, we blame the government' is an open admission to the people of Canada that this is JUST POLITICS and thus no one innocently slimed like members of the CF should hold any grudges against the LPC/Media complex. If there was a LPC administration, do you think Mr. Attaran would have come forward to criticize his buddy Ignatieff? Not on your life, he wouldn’t want to rock the patronage boat. Would Mr. Colvin have been as eager to testify against a Liberal Administration? No way; he’d probably be in the running to move up the DFAIT food chain. This ‘scandal’ is basically an attempt to criminalize Canadian participation in Coalition warfare. All this crap about ‘we don’t blame the troops, we blame the government’ is an open admission to the people of Canada that this is JUST POLITICS and thus no one innocently slimed like members of the CF should hold any grudges against the LPC/Media complex.

]]> By: Adrian MacNair http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-707 Adrian MacNair Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:40:09 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-707 I wrote the word Bushitler on Macleans and it got auto-deleted because of the word "shit" in the middle. I wrote the word Bushitler on Macleans and it got auto-deleted because of the word “shit” in the middle.

]]> By: cynical joe http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-706 cynical joe Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:39:12 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-706 <i>The truth is that there’s probably nothing good enough for the critics of the Afghan war.</i> Sure there is, if McHarperBushHitler was out of office and a Liberal in charge the media would totally ignore this story as they did in 2005. Its only a story if it harms Harper, thats how the Canadian media works. The truth is that there’s probably nothing good enough for the critics of the Afghan war.

Sure there is, if McHarperBushHitler was out of office and a Liberal in charge the media would totally ignore this story as they did in 2005. Its only a story if it harms Harper, thats how the Canadian media works.

]]> By: Adrian MacNair http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-704 Adrian MacNair Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:59:27 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-704 The problem is worse than just the accusation that every prisoner is tortured. The problem is that the critics out there say that Canada is culpable for every indirect or incidental episode of torture, if that prisoner was somehow captured by Canadian soldiers. This makes Canada responsible for the penal system in Afghanistan, a ridiculous, preposterous level of oversight. The problem is worse than just the accusation that every prisoner is tortured. The problem is that the critics out there say that Canada is culpable for every indirect or incidental episode of torture, if that prisoner was somehow captured by Canadian soldiers.

This makes Canada responsible for the penal system in Afghanistan, a ridiculous, preposterous level of oversight.

]]> By: Kursk http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-703 Kursk Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:57:16 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-703 Issachar, the issue is not that Canadians hand over Taliban, and there is abuse taking place (I am sure that it does happen..) The charge is that every prisoner handed over has been subjected to torture. The left (Gayle included) assume that as fact and the starting point of any discussion. Issachar, the issue is not that Canadians hand over Taliban, and there is abuse taking place (I am sure that it does happen..) The charge is that every prisoner handed over has been subjected to torture.

The left (Gayle included) assume that as fact and the starting point of any discussion.

]]> By: Issachar http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-699 Issachar Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:18:44 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-699 I think your comment about what the alternatives to handing over prisoners is something too many people don't think about. Handing over prisoners is simply the best option. At the same time though, I can't really slot myself in with the "he slipped in the shower" crowd or the "Canadian war criminals" crowd. It's AFGHANISTAN. Of course the Afghan guards are abusing some of the prisoners we hand over. It's ridiculously naive to think that they're always treating the prisoners properly. So the government's position is ridiculous. At the same time, it's moronic to think that the Canadian military has the ability to stop all prisoner abuse by the Afghan authorities. It's similarly ridiculous to jump from "prisoner was handed over and now we have reports of abuse" to "the Conservatives have a secret plan to have the Afghans torture people for us". The opposition's hysteria on the subject is ridiculous. Perhaps it's just hubris, but I tend to think my view can't be that unusual. This seems to be a pattern with parliament these days. The Conservatives screw up and hand the opposition a stick to beat them with and yet somehow the opposition finds a way to beat up their own credibility at the same time. I think your comment about what the alternatives to handing over prisoners is something too many people don’t think about. Handing over prisoners is simply the best option.

At the same time though, I can’t really slot myself in with the “he slipped in the shower” crowd or the “Canadian war criminals” crowd. It’s AFGHANISTAN. Of course the Afghan guards are abusing some of the prisoners we hand over. It’s ridiculously naive to think that they’re always treating the prisoners properly. So the government’s position is ridiculous. At the same time, it’s moronic to think that the Canadian military has the ability to stop all prisoner abuse by the Afghan authorities. It’s similarly ridiculous to jump from “prisoner was handed over and now we have reports of abuse” to “the Conservatives have a secret plan to have the Afghans torture people for us”. The opposition’s hysteria on the subject is ridiculous.

Perhaps it’s just hubris, but I tend to think my view can’t be that unusual.

This seems to be a pattern with parliament these days. The Conservatives screw up and hand the opposition a stick to beat them with and yet somehow the opposition finds a way to beat up their own credibility at the same time.

]]> By: Gayle http://unambig.com/one-more-time-with-feeling/#comment-698 Gayle Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:32:00 +0000 http://unambig.com/?p=767#comment-698 "It’s certainly easier to report on a story if you have a prearranged view on what’s actually happening. The evolution of the detainee story is a prime example." I'm guessing the irony of this statement completely eludes you. “It’s certainly easier to report on a story if you have a prearranged view on what’s actually happening. The evolution of the detainee story is a prime example.”

I’m guessing the irony of this statement completely eludes you.

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