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Some Statistics For The Torture-Rendition-War Crimes Crowd

Posted April 7th, 2010 in Afghanistan and tagged , , , , by Adrian MacNair

The prevalent theory about accusations that Afghan detainees are being tortured after Canadian troops make the formality of motioning them over to the Afghan authorities riding along on patrol, is that it undermines the public confidence in the ISAF mission and brings support to the Taliban. Which is true, apparently, if you read the Canadian media. But here’s an interesting fact. The Canadian media has no idea what it’s talking about. Usually, anyway.

From a 2009 International Red Cross Survey that compares results to a 1999 Red Cross Survey:

• Reported incidents of ‘combatants taking food away’ are down from 49% to 27%;
• Fewer people have had their homes looted: down from 51% to 33%;
• Reported conflict-related deaths in respondents’ families are down from 53% to 35%;
• Those having to leave their home is down from 83% to 60%;
Those who report having been tortured are down from 43% to 29%.

“Facts” tend to have a decidedly pro-interventionist bias, don’t they?

A BBC poll released in late December of 2009 shows similar improvement in quality of life, even though Afghanistan is still a dangerous war zone:

70% of respondents said the country is headed “in the right direction.”
2% of respondents blamed “foreign influence” as the biggest problem facing Afghanistan.
85% of respondents would rate the present government as “fair”, “good”, or “excellent.”
89% of respondents would rate the Afghan National Army as “fair”, “good”, or “excellent.”
71% of respondents would rate American Forces as “fair”, “good”, or “excellent.”
70% of respondents would rate International Forces as “fair”, “good”, or “excellent.”
6% of respondents would prefer a Taliban government in Afghanistan.
69% of respondents cited the Taliban as posing the “biggest danger in our country”.
4% of respondents cited the Americans as posing the “biggest danger in our country”.
83% of respondents said that it was good that the United States helped topple the Taliban.
68% of respondents said they support the presence of U.S. troops.
62% of respondents said they support the presence of international troops.
17% of respondents said they support foreign jihadi fighters.
10% of respondents said they support domestic Taliban fighters.
66% of respondents blamed violence in the country on Taliban/al-Qaeda.

As for the nonsense that gender misogyny and violence is just a part of their “culture”:

88% of respondents said women have the right to vote.
74% of respondents said women should work outside the home.
69% of respondents said women should hold public office.
88% of respondents said girls should have the right to education.

The next time that the torture-renditions-war crimes crowd asks you a question, send them this link.

3 Responses so far.

  1. jadNo Gravatar says:

    ” Those who report having been tortured are down from 43% to 29%.”

    But Adrian, you are missing the point completely here – this means that a whopping 29% have actually been tortured. This just confirms what the lefties have been saying all along so let’s waste no more time and haul the Government off to the Hague.

  2. It’s funny, Jad, because I was doing my weekly perusal of the daily torture stories on Macleans today, and here’s the interesting exchange:

    Adrian: As for the “larger issue” here, defeating the Taliban would end the alleged torture.

    TJCook: Can you back up this statement at all? There’s clear evidence that the NDS has institutionalized torture – why would that change in a post-Taliban world?

    EXACTLY, folks. It’s not something that’s limited to an insurgent-only ISAF problem. Torture is endemic to the region, and affects many people.

    Having said that, torture is down 14% since intervention. Kind of significant, eh?

  3. Great post, but as the TPCP posters would say it only proves the gov’t is running and hiding something.

    We have a failure to communicate.

    The Taliban Prisoner Comfort Program (TPCP) is an important “human right” for the next campaign.

    We need a Royal Commission, Public Inquiry led by the opposition to ensure the Taliban or “innocent farmers” are given more comfort in Afghanistan jails. This is international disgrace.

    Our priorities for our own safety, and the protection of women, children is just a lower priority for the TPCP posters.