You can’t always get what you want. See this Nov. 17 post by BruceR. at Flit:
I hear Mazar in spring is even nicer than Kabul in winter
Matthew Fisher continues to perform the sin of actual journalism by trying to pin down people on where Canadian troops in Afghanistan post-2011 will be going and what they’ll be doing. This was telling:
As Canada is insisting that most of its trainers will be in or near the capital, which is already awash with trainers from other countries, there is immense interest in what specific training tasks Canada is to be assigned by NATO and how its trainers will be shoehorned into already-crowded bases in the capital…
…the demand for what could be readily offered [by the CF] becomes rather small. So in the Kabul area, there were only 106 critical jobs in police and army training that could be filled by “regular” soldiers as of the NTM-A [NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan] annual report, dated three weeks ago… far less than what Canada is now offering…
Looks like Bruce was bang-on:
Canadian trainers likely to be sent across Afghanistan
The Canadian Forces is rushing to draw up a list of military trainers to send to Afghanistan once Canada’s combat mission ends next summer, but senior officers say training positions in the safer regions of the country are already growing few and far between.
The federal government announced earlier this year that up to 950 Canadian soldiers would participate in a three-year mission to train the nascent Afghan National Army and the Afghan National Police force.
The Conservative government insisted that the Canadian trainers would be based “inside the wire,” working in secure bases in the relatively stable area around Kabul, the Afghan capital.
But the NATO training organization in Afghanistan is expanding rapidly and needs trainers at sites across the country.
Many of the training jobs in Kabul have been snapped up by nations who committed to the training mission much earlier and Canada may have to send its soldiers into riskier regions of the country.
Maj.-Gen. Stuart Beare, the Canadian deputy commander of the NATO training mission, told CTV News that the coalition needs military and police trainers in almost every province of Afghanistan…
Col. Paul Scagnetti is one of a group of Canadian officers that helped establish the Afghan Army Command College in Kabul, helping to train the Afghan army’s future leaders.
“They know how to fight, there’s no doubt about that: They’ve been doing it for 30 years,” Scagnetti said. “What we’re trying to do is give them a structure, an organization that’ll make them more effective in their fighting.”
But Scagnetti and his fellow trainers have been so successful that they’ve put themselves out of at least one training job: when the new Canadian-funded college opens next spring it will be run by Afghans [I think that may well be the staff college that Brian Platt posted about when he was in Kabul--unembedded--in early November] .
Caught by surprise at the government’s announcement of the training mission, the Canadian Forces is now working overtime to draw up plans for where the Canadian troops will go and what exactly they will be doing.
Lt.-Gen. Marc Lessard, the head of Canadian Expeditionary Force Command, acknowledged that Canada may have little choice but to send soldiers into more volatile regions of Afghanistan.
“The direction I have from (Chief of Defence Staff) Gen. Natynczyk is that it is to be Kabul-centric,” Lessard told CTV News. “And what that means is that the emphasis is to be on Kabul, but not solely Kabul.”
Details of the training mission may become clearer after a meeting at NATO headquarters in Brussels later in January…
Update remark: Politics, politics, all is politics.
Mark
Ottawa


Well in theory it can be called a non-combat mission in that no planned raids or missions would likely be lead or initiated by Canadian advisors or trainers but to actually train and earn the respect of people who will have bullets whistling near their ears it would mean coming along as advisors on some real missions: Leading from the rear isn’t very inspiring and in the best case scenarios one would likely have to shoot back if shot at and one couldn’t just stand there and let your students get shot at and not return fire if it means letting even one of them be shot or killed when you could have saved his life by shooting at the insurgent shooting at him I believe.
The fighting would be smaller scale and incidental to the training but unless they stay behind the wire some fighting by Canadian advisors would still happen: Otherwise the terms of engagement will be politically correct rather than militarily effective: At the very least going with missions shouldn’t be arbitrarily ruled out even if they might be limited as much as possible.
What’s this crap ‘they know how to fight’ all about?
Does being born Afghani give you special fighting ability?
No. That must be instilled in you.
It’s quite obvious by any measure that most of the ANA come to the table ill prepared for life, let alone combat.
Also,nice to see the usual suspects wanting to keep the cush, safe jobs for themselves. They should be ashamed. It may be time to cull the herd in Nato.
Actually most Afghans whatever their type (Pathans above all, Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks et al.) are a lot more inclined individually to combat than most Westerners. What they are not inclined to do–unlike disciplined Western armies–is to fight to the death, or even close to it.
Note the collapse of the Talibs in 2001 and of the non-Talibs in 1996. Afghans fight to achieve concrete personal and local results, not to die en masse for no clear benefit.
Rather sensible warrior cultures in fact.
Mark
Ottawa
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